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Name on town war memorial inspired research

Hi Andrew,

BEING a true Dabber (born at the Barony Hospital), I will start by saying this website is wonderful and helping a lot with my family tree research and a good all-in-all read.

   I have, in the past couple of years, started to research the Hayes family of Nantwich. I was inspired when I found out that my great grandfather William Henry Hayes, who was killed in the First World War, is listed on the Nantwich Memorial (see below). With the 100-year anniversary of his death coming up I thought it very appropriate.

   I have found that William Henry Hayesís father, Samuel Hayes, was the first Hayes from my family to settle in Nantwich. He was born in Wolverhampton about 1851 and moved to Manchester with his family when he was about seven-ish.

   The first time he turns up in Nantwich is when he gets a 20-year-old girl, called Emily Galley, pregnant. A year later they are married and have another child a few months after that.

   Did a lot of people in the late 1800s come to Nantwich for work or would this have been rare?

    In the 1881 census Emily Galley lived in 6 Gas Alley. When Samuel Hayes and Emily Galley have their first child in the September of 1881 she lived at 6 Wych House Bank.  Are these two houses the same? There doesnít seem to be a 4, 5, or

6 Wych House Bank on the 1881 Census, but there are 4, 5 and 6 Gas Alley. Very confusing. I am hoping you can help me on this one.

PAUL HAYES, Nantwich                                           MARCH 2014 

  

Andrew replies:

Paul,

Certainly some people came to Nantwich looking for work in the late 1800s but I

 

The inscription on the war memorial on The Square. Pictured top: The Welsh Row end of Wych House Bank today. The row of cottages extended to the River Weaver, opposite the Mill.

 

wouldnít say a lot. The biggest employer was the Railway Works at Crewe and that is where most of the men would tend to go.

   Regarding your question about the street names, they were separate streets. Weaver Bank is the first street on the left going down Welsh Row, Wych House Bank is the second, while Gas Alley was a separate row of cottages behind Welsh Row accessed from an alleyway on the town centre side of The Black Lion pub. The area where the houses stood is now a car park off St Anne's Lane.

   You are right that there is no 4,5 or 6 Wych House Bank in the 1881 Census. I think they could well have been demolished earlier. I assume that the September address you refer to is taken from the birth certificate.

   It might be useful to look at the 1871 and 1891 Censuses and see if that can throw any light on the question. I had a quick look at the 1871 Census and found the Galley family living in Mill Street.

 

Pictures:  Top right, the Black Lion pub with the alley to the left. Above left, a close-up of Gas Alley leading to about nine homes. Above, right: Gas Alley seen from the car park - where houses would have stood.


Further thoughts on the Enoch Moulton item from a website visitor

Andrew,

I HAVE just been browsing through your website pages and came across your piece about Enoch Moulton ("I have found that I have a lot of relatives in Nantwich". This page).

    Enoch Moulton certainly had the green grocery shop in Beam Street. My mother knew the daughters as Madge and Millie Moulton and even though they were married she always used the Moulton surname. Madge (Marjorie?)  was certainly married to Stanley Davies who had a building business in Hospital Street.

   They lived in one of the terraced houses at the bottom of Crewe Road and had a son Billy - a few years older than me - and, I think, a daughter whose name I can't remember. I think Millie must have been a widow. I know nothing of her husband.

   Millie used to help out with the Red Cross; her picture often appeared in the local papers. On these occasions she could be seen wearing a uniform. The name  

 

 Millie might have been spelled Milly.

    Now for a bit I am not sure of. I think the Davies who was Deputy Clerk to Nantwich Rural District Council when Frank Davenport was the Clerk was Stanley's brother.

   With regard to the plane crashes (this page). The test pilot of a Victor bomber  that crashed into the Irish Sea on August 20, 1959, Squadron Leader Ray Morgan, was married to my mother's cousin, Doris Potter's daughter, Pamela. All five on the aircraft died. I seem to remember their daughter attended Nuthurst School - as did my father Sam, donkey's years before!

JOHN BARLOW                                                                                                   NOVEMBER 2013  

 

John, Many thanks for all this. Andrew

We are trying to trace school where family worked during the war

Andrew
MY mum was billeted in Nantwich in Mill Street during the Second World War, from 1941 to '42, with her brother.

   Her aunty worked as a parlour maid at a girls boarding school on Hospital Street. My mum also held a temporary position there at the age of 15 with her mother.
   We were trying to locate the name of the school. Mum remembers the headmistress being Miss Birkenshaw.
   Can you fill in the gaps, please?
PAUL SKAIFE                                                          
OCTOBER 2013    

 

Andrew replies:
I can tell you that the school you are referring to was Nuthurst School. It was established in 1881 and occupied premises in Hospital Street adjacent to Churche's Mansion.
   It provided accommodation for 16 girls but was also a day school. It had a kindergarten and took boys up to the age of 10.
   I'm not sure when it closed but probably, I would think, in the early 1960s.
   The buildings still stand but are now converted into private houses.
I hope this helps.

  This e-mail was subsequently received from a regular website visitor:
 

Andrew,

I just read your article on Nuthurst School.

   In 1971, I was living in Shavington and we got new next-door neighbours. The wife was a teacher.

   She applied for a teaching job at Nuthurst School and came to see me to ask where the school was (they had just moved from the Potteries).

   Anyway, she did get the job.

   I know it was late 1971 because my daughter was born in January 1972 and my neighbour used to come and see the baby every day after school.

   So I know it was still open then but Iím not sure when it closed because we came to Canada in 1975.

   Keep up the good work.

   "A Dabber's Nantwich" is the most informative website about Nantwich. We love it and check the pages every day.

 

CECELIA TOMLINSON

Qualicum Beach, Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada.


Can you give me more information about Parkfield House?

Dear Mr Lamberton,
I'M trying to find out as much as possible about the Parkfield House area (where Parkfield Drive is now), Nantwich. Are there any more photographs of the house and  grounds available apart from those in the chapter in the book 'Lost Houses of Nantwich' which I have already
    I've lived on Parkfield Drive, next to  'The Old Stables', for 27 years, but have only been able to find out a very small amount of information from various sources.

    I would like if possible, to look at the layout of the estate, buildings, orchards etc. I do have the Ordnance Survey map of Nantwich 1908, and that does show the area.
ANN FARRINGTON, Nantwich                      
OCTOBER 2013
  

Andrew replies:

Hello Ann, I can help you with more information. The 1899 OS 2nd Edition map for Nantwich shows the house and surrounds. Also, not that long ago a good photo of the house frontage came to light in the Nantwich Museum archives.

   Are you familiar with the book about A.N.Hornby called "The Cricketing Squire" by William Henry Hoole?

 

 

 

 

 

Above: a postcard of Parkfield House, courtesy of Nantwich Museum

 

Left: Parkfield House and its grounds can clearly be seen on the right of the 1899 Ordnance Survey map, 2nd edition, of Nantwich. The drive to the property can be seen emerging on to Wellington Road just north of Park Road, at the bottom of the map. Down the left-hand side of the map is Shrewbridge Lane, now called Shrewbridge Road, at the side of which stands Brookfield House. now a home for elderly people.

Ann later replied:

Very many thanks for showing me the photograph and map. It's the first time I have seen Parkfield House in full. What a fascinating building.

   It's such a shame all these old houses disappeared (mind you we'd be homeless if Parkfield House was still here!).

   When I retired I joined the U3A local history group in Wistaston and asked

 

other members if they knew anything, but there were only a few vague memories!

   However, with the old tithe maps I can start researching into the people who lived there before and after A.N.Hornby. As yet I haven't read 'The Cricketing Squire', but
it's in the library, so I've reserved it!
   Very many thanks again for your help.
Ann


Was there a Royal Oak in Swine Market?

 

Andrew's reply: There was not a public house in Swine Market called the Royal Oak.
There was one, however, just around the corner at 4 Beam Street, which was originally called The Star.
   A front room of this establishment was used as a recruiting office during the Napoleonic Wars circa 1805.
   I have a picture of the building with Eva Wainwright-Stubbs, the landlady, standing outside, taken around 1914.

    The picture is taken from my book "Lost Houses in Nantwich" and can be seen in Old Nantwich Pictures on this website.

Andrew received a question in an unsigned e-mail (strictly against the "rules" of Ask Andrew), but it is interesting and serves as a link to an article about the Oak, so for once we will let it go!

Was there a pub in Swine Market, Nantwich, called The Royal Oak. If so,  when did it close?


For a change, Andrew has a question for YOU . . .

In which northern city can you find Nantwich Drive and Crewe Road?

 

Andrew says: I think Lord Crewe probably owned land here years ago, hence the Crewe Road. There is  / was a Crewe Toll.

   Regarding Nantwich Drive, I have been researching the Christie-Miller family who lived at Stapeley House. The family owned quite a bit of land in the Portobello / Edinburgh area and there are now streets there called Christie-Miller Drive, Stapeley Avenue and Nantwich Drive.

   There is also a huge Christie-Miller mausoleum.

The answer?  Edinburgh.


A house with "pretentions" of the Arts and Crafts style of building

Hi Andrew,

I'VE just been perusing your website about Nantwich and found it fascinating.

    I've been trying to find out something about the origins of my friends' house, 39 Millfields, for them. Using various maps I've worked out that it was probably built about 1911 but, quite unusually around here, it has pretensions to the Arts and Crafts Style of house more common in the South and would have been rather grand compared with other existing homes in Marsh Lane / Newtown.

   Originally it would have occupied the whole of the area marked 48 on the Tithe map of the area. Carved into the bannister railings are initials: M and D.  The 1911 Census isn't much help - perhaps it wasn't occupied then. The other houses in Millfields were all built sometime later- starting in the 1930s I reckon.

   Do have any knowledge at all about who might have had it built? Or an architect?

HELEN MORRIS, Nantwich                                         SEPTEMBER 2013

 

  Andrew replies:

Helen, I can tell you something about the first owner of 39 Millfields.

   It would appear to have been the home of Wilfred Harlock, no doubt and probably, head of the local family business of Stretch and Harlock. They not only had the business premises on The Square - which still stand - but also had, at some time previously, the clothing factory on the site of Townsend House, Welsh Row.

   We find him on the 1911 Census with his wife, a visitor and a servant, in Millfields.

In a 1934 directory, he is listed as Wilfred Harlock MBE JP, living at The Cottage, Millfields. which I think is No. 39.

   I donít know why he was awarded the MBE, maybe for services to the clothing industry. He was still at No 39 in 1939.

   The house must have been built shortly before 1911 but I do not know who the architect was.

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