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The Lingard Arms
Which was school with Scout
PUPILS of the Market Street Church of
England School in 1913-14. The headmaster on the left is Mr
Henry Colin Barker.
FOLLOWING a request from Gareth Robert for a
chapter about "early Scouting in Nantwich" for his forthcoming book
about Nantwich people and groups (his second), I have been researching
the details of the Scout troops that have existed in Nantwich over the
There was a troop listed as the
13th S. W. Cheshire, 3rd Nantwich (Central School). The Headmaster was H
Barker, and the Scoutmaster, Ernest Ankers.
I wonder if you know
which school was referred to as Central School in the late 1920s - early
1930s. Manor Road? Or maybe somewhere else.
I CAN tell you that H. C. Barker was the
headmaster at the Nantwich Council School in Manor Road, Nantwich, in
the early 1930s. This school was then called the Nantwich Council Modern
School and catered for boys and girls of 11 and over.
Attached to it was Nantwich Council Primary School which I
attended. Oh happy days!
I'm sure that this will be your
Andrew later added
I HAD permission from Janet Gray -
widow of the late Robin Gray whose
picture it was - to use the
photograph (above) of the Market
Street Schoolboys that include some
I thought these must be the earliest
Nantwich Scouts but I was wrong.
Gerald Newbrook says that he came
across a reference to 16 scouts with
Scoutmaster Mr Glover from the
Nantwich Workhouse camping at
Ecclestone, Chester, in August 1911.
That’s very interesting as I had no
idea that there was a Scout troop at
the Barony Workhouse.
So these must be the earliest Scouts
found so far.
The picture was
given to me by Robin Gray, whose father is on
It is the Church of England school in Market
Street School (1913-14) and includes the
headmaster, Mr Henry Colin Barker, on the left.
Pictured are: back row, Harry Williamson, Arthur
Myford, William Butler, Harry Slack and George
Pye. Second from back row, Harry Bleasdale, Jack
Frost, Cyril Cornes, Albert Glover, Harry Case
and Jack Chesworth. Third from back row, Sam
Ridgway, Harry Clewlow, Jack Green, William
France, Frank Rackleyeft, Hector Gray and Reg
Bailey. Front row,
Joseph Jervis, Leonard Boyer
and Herbert Bowker.
Arthur Myford later worked
at Harvey’s Tannery, along with his elder brother, Harry. Harry
Clewlow was the father of the present Harry Clewlow of the butcher’s
shop in Pepper Street). William France was the son of John France, a
picture framer with a shop at 12 Beam Street (now I Wear opticians).
Frank Rackleyeft's father had a furniture shop in High Street (where
Bridgfords is now) and which later moved to Pillory Street.
Len Boyer was Nantwich Carnival King in 1952 and was a well-known
member of Acton Operatic Society. Harry Myford is in the group photo of
workmen at Harvey's Tannery.
Mr Barker was headmaster at
the Market Street School and later at the Manor Road school.
FOOTNOTES: Gerald is an
expert in Scouting as he is the District Archivist of the
South West Cheshire District Scouts Association. The 38th
S.W. Cheshire Scouts troop (Nantwich Parish Church) marked the 75th
anniversary of its founding in September 2012.
"Nantwich Life" -
Gareth's first book
What did the Wall Lane
cottages look like?
The cottages, 36 - 40
Wall Lane in 1907, from "Lost Houses of Nantwich" by Andrew Lamberton and Robin Gray
HI, Andrew. I grew up in Wall Lane and now
live in Crewe. My mother still lives there but doesn't know much of the
history of the lane.
What I've found out
myself is that Wall Lane used to have a tanner's yard and was the route
to the old
Wallfields Farm (a farm maybe named because the address was Wall Lane?).
Numbers 36-40 used to be
timber-framed style dwellings before they were destroyed by fire (around
1936-37) and I believe the houses were the town's last remaining "salt
houses" standing that used to house the salt workers. But I don't know
how true that one is!
I've researched old maps
and noticed the lane dates back a long way, but I've never found how
far. Was the lane originally the main access for the town's
salt works on Snow Hill?
I've always been fascinated about what the missing houses of
Wall Lane (2 to 26) looked like. I believe these were flattened even
before the Kwik Save supermarket in Beam Street was thought of and which
would have been where the houses would have stood.
I can still remember
numbers 28 to 30 because those two were knocked down in the early 1980s
to make room for Sproston's Builders yard that was.
So I was wondering if you knew
of any photos of the lost houses of Wall Lane. I found old pictures of
the current lane and old pictures of Snow Hill / Cart Lake area, but no
pictures of numbers 2 to 26.
ANDY EDGE, Crewe
P.S. Great website.
Andy, I assume that you have seen what I
have written about Wall Lane in the "Lost Houses of
Nantwich" book (by myself and Robin Gray).
I can't really add much more to that. I have not come across any
photos of the houses 2 to 26 Wall Lane. It is quite possible that some
of the workers in the salt houses on this side of the river could well
have lived in the earlier cottages such as the black and white cottages
that were at 36 to 40 Wall Lane.
As to Wall Lane being a
thoroughfare, I think that it was a lane leading to Wallfields Farm from
the town but the tannery, of course, would generate traffic (and jobs)
after the decline in the salt making.
A question in a quiz has me stumped
HELLO Andrew. I am trying to find the answer to a question in a
quiz and wonder whether you can help. The question is: "Where in
Nantwich, before 1975, would you find the Nag's Head? This is a
bit of schoolboy humour. The answer is not a million miles from
King's Lane and Welshman's Lane."
The answer may be cryptic and it is certainly evading me! I even
wondered if it was something daft like - on the Nag's body, but
that doesn't make sense either!
Hope you can help! Thanks,
Julia, No problem. The Nag's Head was a
public house that stood in Beam street almost opposite the end of
Pepper Street and was demolished in the 1960s. However, this is NOT
As it is a bit of schoolboy humour, and
with the references to Welshman's Lane and King's Lane, it is
referring to NAGS or Nantwich and Acton Grammar School and the head
would be the headmaster. So the answer is: "The Headmaster's office
at Nantwich and Acton Grammar School".
The school is, of course, now
called Malbank School.
Julia later replied:
"Thank you Andrew! Of course! Have never been
good with cryptic clues! That is great, fingers crossed we get
the other answers right."
Wasn't 'The Potting Shed' just one bar?
I'M catching up with Dabbers'
news on a rather cold, wet day here in southern Ontario and
noticed the story on Ye
pub in which it said that it was always known as The Potting
Shed. Is this correct?
In the late
Fifties, I was a frequent visitor of what we called The
Potting Shed or more simply The
Shed, a name reserved solely for a small bar at the back
of the main pub with an entrance off the alleyway that led to
Cinema. As far as I can recall, the pub itself was always
referred to as
Is a faulty memory at play
or am I
right in making the distinction?
ISOBEL (GRAY) MACKAY,
Hello, Isobel. I was not aware of the
distinction and I would be interested to hear from other Dabbers or
ex-Dabbers. Certainly I always knew the whole of the
building to be nicknamed "The
The "alleyway" you refer to is - as you
will recall - Castle Street. The cinema is now Gregory's Nightclub.
John Brough, who runs "A
Dabber's Nantwich" website, thought the whole of the
pub was "The Potting Shed", but he met someone the other
day who said it was just one room off Castle Street, at the rear of
seeking information about the
I'M hoping you can help me in
obtaining information regarding the Lingard Arms (above). This
photograph shows it was a licensed retailer of wines, spirits, ale,
porter and tobacco and one sign advertises "Clarion Cycling Club.
Good stabling and loose boxes."
On the back of the photo it
says Beam Street - but that's all. The photo was taken early in the
1900s, when the proprietor was my great uncle, Walter Robinson. (See
My son is heading to
Nantwich in the near future. I've given him our family history and a
number of 1800-1900s addresses for him to track down. It's been
many, many years since I've been back to Nantwich but next year I'll
be there. In the meantime, although he's never been to Nantwich, my
son tells everyone he's going "home".
Vernon, British Columbia, Canada
(the sunny Okanagan Valley)
Gilda, I'm very pleased to be able to
help you with information on the Lingard Arms. I know exactly where
it was in Beam Street - on the corner of Manor
Road. I remember the building well as Enoch Moulton's the
greengrocer. The two photos (top right) of the premises were taken when it was
under the ownership of Enoch Moulton. The one below shows the shop
decorated and thought to be celebrating the Coronation of King
George VI in 1937.
There is information regarding the
public house in the booklet by Dr A.J.MacGregor called " Inns and
Innkeepers of Nantwich." The address was 9 Beam Street, and it was
originally an alehouse in 1792 called the Red Cow. In 1830 it was
known as the Old Red Cow to distinguish it from the new one
which was further down the street, the proprietor having taken the
name with him when he moved to the new premises. The "new" Red
Cow is still a public house in Beam Street.
In 1881, the "old" Red Cow
changed its name to the Lingard Arms, and the owners of the premises
in 1891 and 1903 were the Crescent Brewery Co., of Burton on Trent.
The landlord from 1892 to 1896 was Walter Robinson. That should help
to date your photograph.
The fully-licensed house was
finally closed in 1909 after it was stated that the building was an
old house and not suitable for licensed premises and
that it was difficult to supervise by the police (presumably because
of the large garden at the rear.)
A few years later, Manor Road
was built alongside the building. To quote from my book: "In 1913
it had become Blackburn's Cycle Stores and a year later it was the
premises of Enoch Moulton, greengrocer, fruiterer and florist. This
continued in existence until the building was demolished c1959 along
with the Nag's Head next door."
Modern shops now stand on
the same site but set back further from the pavement than
See the foot of this item.
On a personal note, Andrew told
Gilda: "WHAT a terrific picture of the Lingard Arms.
I was delighted with it. It's good to compare it with my two photos of
the same building.
"It's poignant to me because from 1955 to 1959 I used to cycle into
Nantwich and leave my bicycle (unlocked in those days!) in the archway,
walk up Pepper Street to the Square and catch the 7.50am bus to go to
school. Those were the days!"
A comment from Andrew about the date of Gilda's
photograph led to a change of thought by her. She wrote back: "With you dating the photo properly, you have
cleared up another mystery. My grandmother always said the couple with
the dog were my great grandfather, Walter, and great-grandmother, Ellen.
With thinking it was around 1910, I took it to be my great uncle. I
know now it was my great
Gilda added: "We are also looking for information about
Heap's Clothing Factory. My great, great grandfather James Heap, who
died in 1907, was the owner at one time and by the looks of the family
history he employed most of the family on both sides at one time or
Andrew's answer to this new point can
be found below
This property, now called
Taylor's View, was once Heap's clothing factory on the corner of James
Hall Street (left) and Arnold Street. Above, this short length of
James Hall Street was known as Heap Street while the building was a
factory - or a warehouse to the factory.
Andrew told Gilda: "As you know,
I met your son when he came to Nantwich and showed him two of the Joseph Heap factories.
"The one on the corner of James Hall
Street and Arnold Street (above) had moved to that location by about 1910.
"The first factory, as far as I know, was the
Globe Works dated 1893 on the corner of The Gullet and Hospital
"Heaps moved in the
1970s to their last site between Crewe Road and Millstone Lane on
what is now called Whitewell Close."
Globe Works pictures by Andrew
THE row of shops (left) is how the Lingard Arms site looks
today with, left to right, 1st Stop off licence and convenience store, TPL Hairdressing and
the Salvation Army charity shop.